Best Mobile Phone with Windows Mobile 6

Charles Turner · Joined: 28 Sep 2007 Posts: 19

Hi guys,

(FYI I'm in the UK)

My 3G contract is due to end March, 2008. 3G, apparantley, cannot offer
Bluetooth connection (to access a 3G Internet, so my PDA is of no use) and
the only carrier that I get a signal where I live is Vodaphone.

So I'm thinking of changing things, I use an ACER Pocket PC for all my
diary, contacts etc. it is indespensible (the last time I used a paper diary
was 1993) and it is VERY good, no complaints whatsoever.

I am thinking of buying a "Smart" mobile that uses Windows Mobile 6,
hopefully this will offer all the Pocket PC facilities I now enjoy, sync
etc. and then a SIM only + Data contract from Vodaphone (or possibly another
provider).

Any recommendations, what is the best, latest Mobile 6 device, 3G,
obviously, that is available?

Thanks in advance.

Charles Turner

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Thurman · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 82

"Charles Turner" wrote in message @bt.com...
> Hi guys,
>
> I am thinking of buying a "Smart" mobile that uses Windows Mobile 6,
> hopefully this will offer all the Pocket PC facilities I now enjoy, sync
> etc. and then a SIM only + Data contract from Vodaphone (or possibly
> another provider).
>
> Any recommendations, what is the best, latest Mobile 6 device, 3G,
> obviously, that is available?

No one I know is unhappy with the Tilt.

One guy in charge of mobile support for a very large company, even ditched
his two month iPhone for a Tilt and is very happy.

Microsoft is allowing developers to experiment with 'cloud based voice
recognition that enable things like program/file launch and data entry by
voice.

I've asked the techies I know to explore external displays.

Paul Murphy · Joined: 02 Nov 2007 Posts: 29

"Thurman" wrote in message $8X6.68@newsfe07.lga...
>
> "Charles Turner" wrote in message
> @bt.com...
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> I am thinking of buying a "Smart" mobile that uses Windows Mobile 6,
>> hopefully this will offer all the Pocket PC facilities I now enjoy, sync
>> etc. and then a SIM only + Data contract from Vodaphone (or possibly
>> another provider).
>>
>> Any recommendations, what is the best, latest Mobile 6 device, 3G,
>> obviously, that is available?
>
> No one I know is unhappy with the Tilt.
.

Since Charles is in the UK, and the Tilt is a USA AT&T network specific
variation of the HTC TyTN II, I don't think he'd be to satisfied using one
of those. I concur with Jeff (in the other identical thread) regarding HTCs
lack of real customer service and I too wouldn't go for anything of theirs
for the same reason. It really is a big deal in this day and age to not
provide drivers that properly utilise hardware capabilities and any response
other than a "sorry, well fix it right away" (with appropriate follow-up
action) is scandalous.

My question to Charles is why exactly do you want a Windows Mobile ppc
(rather than something with a different OS)? Let me tell you that if it's
because of imagined seamless compatibility with Windows on desktop PCs,
you're in for a shock! If your PCs run Win XP then the synching/connection
between PPC and PC would be via Activesync 4.5 (which is guaranteed to slow
your file transfers to a crawl and will not sync directly native OS apps
such as Address Book contacts or Outlook Express Emails). There are also the
same limitations using the newer WMDC in Vista to connect with Windows
Mobile 6 devices (no native OS Application syncing and all the speed of
pouring cold treacle). Windows Mobile itself isn't to bad, it's definitely
the connectivity to PCs that's currently the weak link.

Until these problems are remedied I'd stick with the trusty Acer. There are
VGA/near VGA resolution WM6 PPCs from Toshiba due early in 2008 and they
have an excellent reputation when it comes to compact PCs. Perhaps Active
Sync and WMDCs problems may be remedied by then....

The OP shouldn't be in any hurry to part with cash, the products will only
get better with time and provide more value for money.

Paul

Jeff · Joined: 30 Oct 2007 Posts: 49

see my response in the other identical thread.

Jeff

"Thurman" wrote in message $8X6.68@newsfe07.lga...
>
> "Charles Turner" wrote in message
> @bt.com...
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> I am thinking of buying a "Smart" mobile that uses Windows Mobile 6,
>> hopefully this will offer all the Pocket PC facilities I now enjoy, sync
>> etc. and then a SIM only + Data contract from Vodaphone (or possibly
>> another provider).
>>
>> Any recommendations, what is the best, latest Mobile 6 device, 3G,
>> obviously, that is available?
>
> No one I know is unhappy with the Tilt.
>
> One guy in charge of mobile support for a very large company, even ditched
> his two month iPhone for a Tilt and is very happy.
>
> Microsoft is allowing developers to experiment with 'cloud based voice
> recognition that enable things like program/file launch and data entry by
> voice.
>
> I've asked the techies I know to explore external displays.
>
>

Charles Turner · Joined: 28 Sep 2007 Posts: 19

Hi Paul,

Yes, the main reason for wanting Windows mobile was so I could "seamlessly"
sync with other applications on my PC (e.g. ACT! 2008 via Companion Link). I
am now beginning to realise it's not that simple.

A good solution is to use the phone as a 3G modem and connect the Pocket PC
to it using Bluetooth. The only limitation is the speed of the Bluetooth. In
the UK my mobile phone service provider is 3G (at the moment) and whilst you
can connect a PC to the phone using a cable and use it as a modem you can't
do the same using Bluetooth. I don't think this is a problem with Vodaphone
or O2.

Regards,

Charles

"Paul Murphy" wrote in message @corp.supernews.com...
> "Thurman" wrote in message
> $8X6.68@newsfe07.lga...
>>
>> "Charles Turner" wrote in message
>> @bt.com...
>>> Hi guys,
>>>
>>> I am thinking of buying a "Smart" mobile that uses Windows Mobile 6,
>>> hopefully this will offer all the Pocket PC facilities I now enjoy, sync
>>> etc. and then a SIM only + Data contract from Vodaphone (or possibly
>>> another provider).
>>>
>>> Any recommendations, what is the best, latest Mobile 6 device, 3G,
>>> obviously, that is available?
>>
>> No one I know is unhappy with the Tilt.
> .
>
> Since Charles is in the UK, and the Tilt is a USA AT&T network specific
> variation of the HTC TyTN II, I don't think he'd be to satisfied using one
> of those. I concur with Jeff (in the other identical thread) regarding
> HTCs lack of real customer service and I too wouldn't go for anything of
> theirs for the same reason. It really is a big deal in this day and age to
> not provide drivers that properly utilise hardware capabilities and any
> response other than a "sorry, well fix it right away" (with appropriate
> follow-up action) is scandalous.
>
> My question to Charles is why exactly do you want a Windows Mobile ppc
> (rather than something with a different OS)? Let me tell you that if it's
> because of imagined seamless compatibility with Windows on desktop PCs,
> you're in for a shock! If your PCs run Win XP then the synching/connection
> between PPC and PC would be via Activesync 4.5 (which is guaranteed to
> slow your file transfers to a crawl and will not sync directly native OS
> apps such as Address Book contacts or Outlook Express Emails). There are
> also the same limitations using the newer WMDC in Vista to connect with
> Windows Mobile 6 devices (no native OS Application syncing and all the
> speed of pouring cold treacle). Windows Mobile itself isn't to bad, it's
> definitely the connectivity to PCs that's currently the weak link.
>
> Until these problems are remedied I'd stick with the trusty Acer. There
> are VGA/near VGA resolution WM6 PPCs from Toshiba due early in 2008 and
> they have an excellent reputation when it comes to compact PCs. Perhaps
> Active Sync and WMDCs problems may be remedied by then....
>
> The OP shouldn't be in any hurry to part with cash, the products will only
> get better with time and provide more value for money.
>
> Paul
>

sb · Joined: 28 Sep 2007 Posts: 9

On Mon, 28 Jan 2008 08:20:19 -0000, "Charles Turner"
wrote:

>Hi Paul,
>
>Yes, the main reason for wanting Windows mobile was so I could "seamlessly"
>sync with other applications on my PC (e.g. ACT! 2008 via Companion Link). I
>am now beginning to realise it's not that simple.
>
>A good solution is to use the phone as a 3G modem and connect the Pocket PC
>to it using Bluetooth. The only limitation is the speed of the Bluetooth. In
>the UK my mobile phone service provider is 3G (at the moment) and whilst you
>can connect a PC to the phone using a cable and use it as a modem you can't
>do the same using Bluetooth. I don't think this is a problem with Vodaphone
>or O2.
>

What makes you say you can't use Bluetooth to connect via a 3G
service? Also the speed of Bluetooth won't be too much of a limitation
on a phone.

What phone and PC operating system are you using?

>Regards,
>
>
>Charles
>
>
>
>"Paul Murphy" wrote in message
>@corp.supernews.com...
>> "Thurman" wrote in message
>> $8X6.68@newsfe07.lga...
>>>
>>> "Charles Turner" wrote in message
>>> @bt.com...
>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>
>>>> I am thinking of buying a "Smart" mobile that uses Windows Mobile 6,
>>>> hopefully this will offer all the Pocket PC facilities I now enjoy, sync
>>>> etc. and then a SIM only + Data contract from Vodaphone (or possibly
>>>> another provider).
>>>>
>>>> Any recommendations, what is the best, latest Mobile 6 device, 3G,
>>>> obviously, that is available?
>>>
>>> No one I know is unhappy with the Tilt.
>> .
>>
>> Since Charles is in the UK, and the Tilt is a USA AT&T network specific
>> variation of the HTC TyTN II, I don't think he'd be to satisfied using one
>> of those. I concur with Jeff (in the other identical thread) regarding
>> HTCs lack of real customer service and I too wouldn't go for anything of
>> theirs for the same reason. It really is a big deal in this day and age to
>> not provide drivers that properly utilise hardware capabilities and any
>> response other than a "sorry, well fix it right away" (with appropriate
>> follow-up action) is scandalous.
>>
>> My question to Charles is why exactly do you want a Windows Mobile ppc
>> (rather than something with a different OS)? Let me tell you that if it's
>> because of imagined seamless compatibility with Windows on desktop PCs,
>> you're in for a shock! If your PCs run Win XP then the synching/connection
>> between PPC and PC would be via Activesync 4.5 (which is guaranteed to
>> slow your file transfers to a crawl and will not sync directly native OS
>> apps such as Address Book contacts or Outlook Express Emails). There are
>> also the same limitations using the newer WMDC in Vista to connect with
>> Windows Mobile 6 devices (no native OS Application syncing and all the
>> speed of pouring cold treacle). Windows Mobile itself isn't to bad, it's
>> definitely the connectivity to PCs that's currently the weak link.
>>
>> Until these problems are remedied I'd stick with the trusty Acer. There
>> are VGA/near VGA resolution WM6 PPCs from Toshiba due early in 2008 and
>> they have an excellent reputation when it comes to compact PCs. Perhaps
>> Active Sync and WMDCs problems may be remedied by then....
>>
>> The OP shouldn't be in any hurry to part with cash, the products will only
>> get better with time and provide more value for money.
>>
>> Paul
>>

Charles Turner · Joined: 28 Sep 2007 Posts: 19

Hi,

The problem is that the level of support from the mobile phone service
providers is pathetic, particularly 3G with their Indian Call Centre who are
incapable of understanding your question let alone providing an answer.

After a lot of messing about 3G said that a wired connection WAS possible
(which is correct as I've tried it) but a Bluetooth connection was not
(correct on the face of it as I couldn't get it to work). Of course I have
no confidence whatsoever that what they are saying is correct, as they
display complete incompetance, so you may be right and I can connect through
Bluetooth. Exactly why I could not connect is not clear.

I would in fact like to remain with 3G as I can get a good deal, however, in
terms of technical help and support I am probably better phoning my local
plumber or butcher.

Regards,

Charles

What makes you say you can't use Bluetooth to connect via a 3G
> service? Also the speed of Bluetooth won't be too much of a limitation
> on a phone.

doofy · Joined: 08 Feb 2008 Posts: 6

Thurman wrote:
> "Charles Turner" wrote in message
> @bt.com...
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> I am thinking of buying a "Smart" mobile that uses Windows Mobile 6,
>> hopefully this will offer all the Pocket PC facilities I now enjoy, sync
>> etc. and then a SIM only + Data contract from Vodaphone (or possibly
>> another provider).
>>
>> Any recommendations, what is the best, latest Mobile 6 device, 3G,
>> obviously, that is available?
>
> No one I know is unhappy with the Tilt.
>
> One guy in charge of mobile support for a very large company, even ditched
> his two month iPhone for a Tilt and is very happy.
>
> Microsoft is allowing developers to experiment with 'cloud based voice
> recognition that enable things like program/file launch and data entry by
> voice.
>
> I've asked the techies I know to explore external displays.
>
>

I was evaluating the Tilt. I thought it was a pretty solid little
phone. Liked the voice command for pulling up apps. Getting an
internet connection could be a little slow sometimes, primarily from my
bedroom. Not sure if I was in a dead zone or not.

The touch screen and predictive typing are great. It starts with it's
own predictive words, then adjusts that to give priority to words you've
recently or recurringly enter.

Unlike Verizon's Blackberry, you can actually use their GPS with
something like Google Maps. And their navigation software is much
better than Verizon's.

Down sides is that they want you to invest in Bluetooth connectors to
link your phone to your pc. No normal headphone jack. Just a miniUSB
port. And they don't sell headphones that will work with it. They do
sell Bluetooth stereo headphones though. I'm suspecting they bought a
chunk of Bluetooth and are trying to force you to use it.

I returned it because I don't use the features of a smartphone enough to
justify the expense.

Todd Allcock · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 1029

At 12 Feb 2008 07:57:06 -0800 doofy wrote:

> I was evaluating the Tilt...

> Down sides is that they want you to invest in Bluetooth connectors to
> link your phone to your pc.

Um, I'm not sure what you mean? Bluetooth is optional- you can sync with
your PC with the (included) USB cable.

> No normal headphone jack. Just a miniUSB port. And they don't
> sell headphones that will work with it.

It comes with a set, and several adaptors are available to let you plug
regular 1/8"/3.5mm "walkman" headphones in. I have a few for my wife's T-
Mobile Dash that uses the same (stupid) "enhanced" USB port.

> They do sell Bluetooth stereo headphones though. I'm suspecting
> they bought a chunk of Bluetooth and are trying to force you to use it.

?!? The use of Bluetooth is certainly optional, and darned convenient!

doofy · Joined: 08 Feb 2008 Posts: 6

Todd Allcock wrote:
> At 12 Feb 2008 07:57:06 -0800 doofy wrote:
>
>> I was evaluating the Tilt...
>
>
>> Down sides is that they want you to invest in Bluetooth connectors to
>> link your phone to your pc.
>
> Um, I'm not sure what you mean? Bluetooth is optional- you can sync with
> your PC with the (included) USB cable.

I read a review that said that you couldn't. And the software disk that
came with it didn't have any drivers to recognize the tilt.

>
>> No normal headphone jack. Just a miniUSB port. And they don't
>> sell headphones that will work with it.
>
> It comes with a set, and several adaptors are available to let you plug
> regular 1/8"/3.5mm "walkman" headphones in. I have a few for my wife's T-
> Mobile Dash that uses the same (stupid) "enhanced" USB port.
>

Mine did not come with a set. They also said they didn't have any I
could buy extra. I also read that you have to be very careful what
adapters you use, or you won't get audio.

>> They do sell Bluetooth stereo headphones though. I'm suspecting
>> they bought a chunk of Bluetooth and are trying to force you to use it.
>
>
> ?!? The use of Bluetooth is certainly optional, and darned convenient!

Not if I'm forced to use it because the USB won't work.

Todd Allcock · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 1029

At 22 Feb 2008 09:40:53 -0800 doofy wrote:

> > Um, I'm not sure what you mean? Bluetooth is optional- you
> > can sync with
> > your PC with the (included) USB cable.
> I read a review that said that you couldn't. And the software disk
> that came with it didn't have any drivers to recognize the tilt.

The sync and phone-as-modem drivers are integrated with Activesync (or WMDC
if you use Vista.) There's no separate "Tilt" driver. (Or driver for any
Windows Mobile phone.)

> > It comes with a set, and several adaptors are available to let you plug
> > regular 1/8"/3.5mm "walkman" headphones in. I have a few for my wife's
T-
> > Mobile Dash that uses the same (stupid) "enhanced" USB port.
> >
>
> Mine did not come with a set. They also said they didn't have any I
> could buy extra. I also read that you have to be very careful what
> adapters you use, or you won't get audio.

I'm quite surprised you didn't get a set. HTC (the actual maker of the
Tilt) generally includes a relatively crummy set of headphones with every
phone they sell.

As to the adapters, any specifically made to work with the Tilt (or Kaiser,
Dash, Excalibur, etc.) shouldn't be a problem.

> > ?!? The use of Bluetooth is certainly optional, and darned convenient!
>
> Not if I'm forced to use it because the USB won't work.

USB works fine. No offense, but I'm not so sure you investigated any of
these smartphones you tried fully before sending them back! Wink

Sven · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 1711

Got a Tilt from AT&T a while back and surprisingly there was no headset in
the box, or any adapter. Was the first WM device I have gotten without one.
Not a great loss, as you say, they tend to be crummy. Still, I think AT&T
should have provided something.

Mobile Planet sells some nice accessories to mitigate that. e.g.
http://www.expansys-usa.com/p.aspx?i=150195&asource=151727 , but also
http://www.expansys-usa.com/d.aspx?i=148545. There are other places with
cheaper options.

I concur that USB works just fine, for what it is designed for, syncing and
charging. BT is a valid and effective option for audio, music and phone
handsfree. Except on a plane...no you can't use the phone, but if you want
to listen to music, they still frown on transmitters on the airlines.
Wireless isn't an option. My solution to that is a Zune. I prefer a phone
with remaining battery when I get off the plane anyway.

--
Sven
MVP Mobile Devices
"Todd Allcock" wrote in message $fbj$1@aioe.org...

Todd Allcock · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 1029

At 22 Feb 2008 19:12:19 -0700 Sven wrote:
> Got a Tilt from AT&T a while back and surprisingly there was no headset
> in the box, or any adapter.

That's pretty surprising (and disgusting) especially since the headphone
plug is proprietary.

> Was the first WM device I have gotten without one. Not a great loss,
> as you say, they tend to be crummy. Still, I think AT&T should have
> provided something.

I agree 100%. Especially with a phone with an oddball port being sold as a
multimedia device!

> Mobile Planet sells some nice accessories to mitigate that. e.g.
> http://www.expansys-usa.com/p.aspx?i=150195&asource=151727 ,
> but also http://www.expansys-usa.com/d.aspx?i=148545. There are other
places with cheaper options.

I lose them so often (which is why I HATE needing adapters!) I tend to
troll eBay and buy 3 or 4 at a time from the same seller to reduce the
shipping charges.

> I concur that USB works just fine, for what it is designed for, syncing
> and charging. BT is a valid and effective option for audio, music and
> phone handsfree. Except on a plane...no you can't use the phone,
> but if you want to listen to music, they still frown on transmitters on
> the airlines. Wireless isn't an option. My solution to that is a Zune.

I give the Zunes to the kids and use my phone for myself. (Arrrgh! Don't
get me started on the Zune! More below!)

> I prefer a phone with remaining battery when I get off the plane anyway.

Yeah, my solution for that was a 4AA battery pack with a USB socket I
slapped together out of parts from a RadioShack- recently I've found a neat
USB charger designed for MP3 players that I found on clearance at WalMart
for $20. It's called the"MusicPower" by Encore and has a 2100mAH Li-Ion
pack integrated into the wall plug and two USB charging port outputs. I
can just plug the sync/charge cable for any USB device (or two!) in and it
recharges it on the go, and it recharges the internal battery whenever it's
plugged into AC.

(Segue into the aforementioned Zune story...) I bought it the very next day
after returning from a vacation trip to Mexico in early January- I had just
bought two 30GB Zunes from the holiday fire sales to entertain the kids on
this upcoming trip, loaded them up with hours and hours of kidvids and flew
to Mexico.

Traveling light, I left the laptop at home, just bringing my HTC Wizard
phone, and my old Dell Axim X5 PPC (3 kids, two Zunes, do the math!) and my
usual travel bag of cheap eBay AC-to-USB chargers, headphones and
charge/sync cables.

After the 4 hours of in-flight entertainment exhausted the batteries of all
phones, PPCs and Zunes involved we arrive at the hotel, unpack, plug in the
various chargers (including my MacGiver-esque home-built battery pack
composed of at least 20% duct-tape!) only to discover not one of my
"generic" AC-to-USB chargers will charge Zunes! A quick web search (on the
Wizard) with the hotel lobby's free WiFi confirmed Zunes are apparently
VERY finicky with respect to voltage and amperage and only computer-USB
ports or chargers "Designed for Zune (TM)" are guaranteed to charge it. At
this point I'm kicking myself for not testing the chargers with the Zunes
prior to traveling but I never imagined it'd be a problem!

While my wife and kids were shopping for souvenirs during the trip, I'm
ducking into camera and electrobnic shops (as well as the local Cancun
Walmart and Office Depots!) leads me to the conclusion that the Zune isn't
apparently sold in Mexico yet, (but imagine the fun I had trying to explain
what a "Zune" is in my bad Spanish- "like an iPod, but Microsoft!" had
salespeople showing me XBox accessories!) so there was no way to buy a Zune-
branded charger locally, and I really didn't want to risk buying various
overpriced non-returnable iPod Chargers hoping they'd work!

So, on the plane ride home two kids shared the Axim (yes, while I
constantly lose any proprietary adapters I need there was actually a years-
old dual headphone adapter in my travel bag for whatever reason!) and the
third child used my phone, and the brand-new Zunes purchased specifically
for this trip sat, completely discharged, in the luggage! I swore at that
point I'd buy chargers for them on the way home from the airprt, (but
actually waited until the next day!)
So, while looking for an official "Designed for Zune" charger at my local
Colorado WalMart (whose disinterested teen-aged employees had me longing
for their Cancun counterparts who, while unable to understand me, were at
least trying to help!) I stumbled upon these rechargeable units on
clearence that I bought, confirmed worked with the Zunes, and went back the
next day and bought a second!

(Ok, enough off-topic storytelling for one evening, I guess!)

Back on topic, how do (did?) you like the Tilt? Rumor has it my carrier (T-
Mobile) might roll out a version this summer if/when they finally launch 3G.

Is the video playback as slow as the disgruntled owners say? My (200MHz
OMAP) MDA (Wizard) is much slower than my old Axim X5, and I was hoping for
a better player, (at least with TCPMP.)

Thurman · Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 82

"Sven" wrote in message @microsoft.com...
> Got a Tilt from AT&T a while back and surprisingly there was no headset in
> the box, or any adapter. Was the first WM device I have gotten without
> one. Not a great loss, as you say, they tend to be crummy. Still, I think
> AT&T should have provided something.

The price drop from $400 8525 to $300 Tilt was apparently accomplished in
part by elimination of travel charger, travel cable, headset, micro camera
lens, etc.

I prefer the 8525 but am envious of the included GPS.

I've been testing a 4GB EEE PC without Bluetooth this week. Have not been
able to tether yet, but that 7" screen is nice.

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